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Should I be honored or insulted? September 26, 2019

Posted by Ubi Dubium in Responses, UbiDubiKids.
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I’ve written about this event in some assorted blog comments over the past few days, but I think it deserves a full post of its own, as documentation.

There is an apologist, Tom Gilson, who writes for The Stream, and apparently also has his own blog, which I won’t link to here.  About a year ago he wrote an article, supposedly rebutting Lawrence Krauss on the issue of divine hiddenness.

Now I have no interest in reading The Stream, and generally avoid apologists in general, unless they show up on an atheist site trying to convert people.  I was totally unaware of this article, until recently when Bob Seidensticker wrote a response to it at Cross Examined, here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2019/09/another-attempt-to-explain-gods-hiddenness-or-nonexistence-fails-tom-gilson-the-stream.

So as I’m reading Bob’s post, I come across a quote that Gilson used to start off his article, supposedly from Lawrence Krauss:

[Suppose something happened] completely inconsistent with the operation of the universe as we know it, something impossible. . . . For instance, if the stars rearranged themselves to spell a different bible verse each night. Or if the tree in my front yard started growing KJV bibles instead of crabapples.

And my jaw just dropped.  I knew that quote wasn’t from Krauss, because I recognized it.  Because I WROTE IT!

That’s a direct quote from a post I wrote in 2016.  I did some quick checking, to be sure that Gilson wasn’t picking up an instance of Krauss quoting me.  I don’t know that Krauss ever has quoted me, or even knows who I am, but I like to be thorough.   Gilson doesn’t give a source for his quote, and the Krauss source he does link to in his article doesn’t include it.  I let Bob Seidensticker know about this, and he quickly posted an update to his article.  I also left a comment on the original Gilson article, which immediately went into moderation, and hasn’t shown up yet.  I don’t expect that it will ever be approved, since it would be an embarrassment to the author.

You can read Gilson’s article here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190924200235/https://stream.org/god-himself-obvious/

And here’s my original post, that he plagiarized from: https://boldquestions.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/answers-to-a-question-for-atheists/



1. Steve Ruis - September 26, 2019

Stealing for Jesus? And expansion of Lying for Jesus? These apologists know no shame.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:26 PM Question With Boldness wrote:

> Ubi Dubium posted: “I’ve written about this event in some assorted blog > comments over the past few days, but I think it deserves a full post of its > own, as documentation. There is an apologist, Tom Gilson, who writes for > The Stream, and apparently also has his own blog, w” >

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2. DesertAbba - September 26, 2019

The ad that accompanied your latest blog about whether to be honored or insulted is perfect. On my screen is a product/process to cleanse your bowels! Gotta go some to get more appropriate when an apologist is caught slinging shit! Ruiz is right on above, they know no limits. Of course the White House resident, to whom all look up, similarly know no moral/ethical boundaries. Keep up the dubium!

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Ubi Dubium - September 26, 2019

Oh, that’s perfect! I don’t see the ads when I’m viewing one of my own posts, and I have adblock on as well, so I mostly don’t see any of them.

I’m still scratching my head as to how this apologist found that quote from me, or got it in his head that it was actually from Krauss. it’s not like I have a large readership!

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kiabooks - September 26, 2019

The apologist was likely covering his tracks and threw out a name to stick to the quote, assuming no one would check. Amazing

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3. melinda1962 - September 26, 2019

Ubi – did you by chance ever hang out on a site called de-conversion.com? I seem to remember my husband talk about someone with that handle there. He had that quote tattooed on his left arm 🙂



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Ubi Dubium - September 26, 2019

Yes, that was me! I remember him from there, years ago, he was a wonderful commenter, and I miss him.

I love the Latin quote, and the first time I heard it I decided to appropriate it for my online handle, and have used it ever since.

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4. jim- - September 26, 2019

What are the odds you’d be the one to spot this? Buy a lotto ticket Ubi. On the other hand, you’ve been ripped off, so who knows.

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Ubi Dubium - September 26, 2019

Well. it was out there for more than a year before I found it. The only other person that might have spotted it would be Krauss, I guess, because he could protest that he didn’t say that and doesn’t have a crabapple tree in his front yard. Maybe he did spot it, but I wouldn’t have known about it if he had, because I don’t follow what he writes.

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jim- - September 26, 2019

There is a way to track when your name is used but he’d have to have a paid staff to keep up with that. Maybe you had Cryptomnesia and just thought it as yours originally?

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Ubi Dubium - September 26, 2019

Don’t think I’ve forgotten, since I’m talking about the one and only tree in my yard. And I’ve googled the combination of “Lawrence Krauss” and “crabapple” and nothing comes up that’s actually from Krauss. (I wanted to be sure that he hadn’t quoted me, and then the apologist picked up the quote from there.)

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5. john zande - September 26, 2019

That’s so cool, and not cool at the same time.

Is this Gilson a known quantity? I’ve never heard of him.

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Ubi Dubium - September 26, 2019

I’d never heard of him either, but I read a post from Ark where he was tangling with this guy recently.

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6. john zande - September 26, 2019

Just checked his website. Not exactly a hive of activity.

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7. leendadll - September 6, 2020

You should be both honored and offended!

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